https://forum.spacestation14.com/t/2025-06-25-dehubbing-of-klovn-station/21806

If you had any doubts before, then let them be dispelled by this. It is impossible for a SS13 server with /tg/ level rules to operate on the SS14 hub.

I never believed this day would come, but, guess I'm gonna need to deconstruct this shit.
For those who don't know, I'm our sysop. At least, current sysop. I'm pretty sure Humorist went through like two other people. I'm not even particularly involved in the server, my main gig is running the sandbox playground on :1212 and making bugs seem funny in RP. Other servers, not Klovn itself.

Let's go down every sentence of the way.

We have removed the community Klovn Station from Space Wizards hub, due to violations of the Space Wizards Hub Rules[1]:

To remind those who probably joined this game about a month ago, the SS14 hub actually follows a set of additional unwritten rules. I implore you to read the actually linked set of hub rules in [1], because these look reasonable all-round.

1.1 Do not harass, bully, brigade, defame, or doxx players, developers, or communities.

Also known as the blanket rule of "we don't actually know what's wrong here." Every controversial dehub is a 1.1. I'd actually argue that if this were codified under some law standard, like Dutch law or US law (since that's where the Space Wizards organization is currently based), it would be far more robust to say what is and is not harassment, defamation, or doxxing. Bullying and brigading are more technical terms, and I'm not a lawyer.

Due to the extremity of the situation, we have decided to resort to a 3-strike dehub.

...Three strikes for a midpop community that's not even two months old? I'm baffled. Hub policy states that:

... We aren't cops here...

and that this would happen only if:

Depending on the scope and nature of the violation in question we (comm. emphasis) will try to contact you privately and resolve things cleanly without a lasting strike. This depends on the kind offense in question and how cooperative you were to resolve the matter.

If we do decide to hand out a strike, we expect you to resolve the problem within a reasonable timeframe. Failing this we may delist your server until the root problem is solved, regardless of total strikes remaining.

We expect to be able to contact you about matters of the hub rules...

which means either:

Humorist (bruh21, soot, whatever) was contacted, but he went apeshit, or AWOL for longer than 48 hours without telling us he was messaged by PJB, Sloth, Bhijn or whoever leads the hub currently (note: I was not chosen as the priority point of contact).
Humorist was NOT contacted (SWF hub exercising its private right to ex partee decide that three strikes is appropriate).

However, this has nothing to do with contacting Humorist or even our game/discord/telegram rules, as we'll see later. Which means, that it's most certainly the second option.

Details

We have received credible confirmation and evidence that Klovn Station has been involved in raiding other communities,

I'm assuming this is important information for a server to know. Which means, primarily, resolvable through contacting the community owners (our Command.)

circulating dox information,

Where the hell is this coming from? It must be somewhere that's not Klovn, because otherwise, we could have moderated it or even demoted the people responsible.

and harassing community members.

Well... I suppose we can't have everything. Our SS14 rules do not moderate harassment outside of metagrudges. Is this where we fell short? I want to know.

Rumors of this were previously circulating within the wider Space Station 14 community, but were previously unconfirmed.

The hub aut'y shouldn't think about this, because [1]:

Assume that absolutely nothing is known about a given community (as this is almost always the case).

Which means, this is hearsay, which means, likely injected by the reporter (more likely) or hub admin.

Originally, when Klovn Station entered the hub, they made a good-faith attempt to deter harassment and libel from proliferating in their community,

...Wait, really? But our rules have gotten stricter over the past few months, not leaner.

...and have generally done a decent job in ensuring their community keeps to itself.

Because, get this, our mantra is "we hate bad game design." Presumably, our players enjoy a style of gameplay Wizden could never provide with content removal alone.

However, these efforts were recently reversed outright.

How recent? A day, a week ago? Can we get a source for the "reversal" so we know what went wrong and that we don't become literally North Korea? I beg you, communicate with us!!

It is purely the community's actions that have motivated the decision to dehub.

Oh. Oh.
*sighs*
So... let me get this straight. We got striked thrice in one go not because our admins failed (otherwise you'd message us in good faith), but because our community's full of raiders and our policing efforts have suddenly went full 4chan.
We're barely two months old as a community (Apr 2025). Some in Command have been here in SS14 for years, but that doesn't mean that every admin becomes superhuman overnight when a veteran joins the staff. Better yet, you'd message the actually tenured players since they're more stable! But there is a solution to this:

Delete the Discord entirely. Or make it read only. While that sounds pretty appealing given the cesspool of cringe that both the community and admins post, I entertain the idea of having a persistent OOC chat. Suffice to say, I'm not doing this. Neither is Humorist.

Due to the sensitivity and extremity of the acts of malice that have occurred, evidence cannot be publicly posted.

If the evidence can't be publicly posted, then it's private. If it's private, then:

Reports involving non-public information are always treated as anonymous. Provided evidence will only be published if it's known to be public.

So, we have:

Reports of raiding, doxxing, harassment,
of which evidence is so "malicious" that it can't even be posted publicly,
with a community that barely started to exist,
and none of it was reported to the owner by the reporter, the Hub, or even our other head admins because the reporter is trying to be a rules lawyer vigilante and not a genuine good-faith actor. What do you vultures want?

These reasons are why I believe the SS14 hub is acting in bad faith. I would love to be proven wrong, because here's what I definitely know is fucked up:

Humorist himself
- It's an open secret that Humorist himself is far from the sharpest tool in the shed. He blatanly ignores rules, and he ignores moral restrictions. Personal belief, I don't think his ass should go anywhere NEAR a SS14 forum. IMs are where he belongs, a space so temporary that the province of Catalonia is SEETHING over how stable it is. But he has not organized any of this, with sitting members of KS14. It'd be a really stupid jump from "the owner is a shithead" to "his community is the Evil of earth".
  If Humorist was the problem, then we would get a public comm that he in fact, was the core issue. This is not how the report words it - the "community" is responsible.
Our other staffers
- The only other people that are even close to being considered the enemy of the hub, are either Bevv's questionable practice (and I'm sure that without further information, it's certainly not), or me. Yours truly has actually been dehubbed before for a single Reddit comment. No strikes, no dehub announcement (because I wasn't hosting a server at the time), no nothing until I confronted PJB themselves about it. This is simply unacceptable behavior for a project lead.
- Not even Flora is schizo enough to light up on the soyjak radar. Are you kidding me? Daemon of Nyano fame was a hundred times worse!
Our "community"
- What does the hub mean by this? Our Discord community? Our standing SS14 ingame community? Our SS14 rules have gotten stricter. Our Discord is no less moderated than Weasel or /tg/. Our Telegram's basically completely dead.
- Whatever we do have on the Discord was half hub sourced, half sourced by Bevv's KS14 video. If you're going to dehub us, there's no reason to not also dehub Bevv's projects before they even start existing.

With these regards, I'm relatively certain that this could have been even tangentially included in the report, if it were really a problem. But because of the "I have plans that I can't tell you about, because the haters will sabotage me" logic, I believe that this ban is either bad faith, an Among Us force send that's trying to mask as a Town of Salem vote for alignment (it's so far from that), or a demonstration that I'm genuinely deaf to any response from the hub that could have reached me (PJB has 8 mutual servers with me).

Here's a train of thought. If you dehub a server, it gets more raiders than it could ever get. And they won't stop doing it. Hell, Goob was this bad when they started too.
I know you're listening, hub auth. Do the hub a favor, and either rehub us, or publicize the minimal active set needed to act. If you don't, worse things will happen even if we do our best to "contain" as before.

Because we know the reporter is BevvRatBites (his status leaked the entire timeline starting about two days ago).
Because we know his community will be net worse for you. (The words "furry-centric" and "no rules" don't mix, SS13 proved this, and Emisse explicitly doesn't want it.) Having both communities on the other hand, would at least bolster the illusion of a hub without tension, allow player freedom and better content competition for both his and Klovn's base.
Because we know you don't know what you're talking about[2].

_{The fact I even have to be the initiator is crazy. Your rules, your evidence, you supply it.}

Signing off,

- router